If you’re uninterested, feel free to scroll on. One message reads:
wow racist much? she cant appreciate mexican culture because shes white? holy shit…
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I think it’s very uneducated of you to assume that every non Mexican participating in Mexican festivities is doing so…
If you are interested in my culture, I welcome you. But you don’t get to take it. You don’t get to use it as your plaything. It is not your toy. You are the one who is not entitled to anything here. If I am entitled, that is because it is mine. This is my family. These are our people. This is our culture. Our way of honoring the dead.
except minus the part about purging other races for the sake of some fucked up ideas about white racial purity, the mass genocide of gays/jews/the disabled/gypsies, and Hitler - yes, asking people to not wear Calavera skull makeup on Halloween because it’s not part of Halloween, and is disrespectful and it’s not up for “adaption” by white people for their own shits and giggles…
THIS IS EXACTLY LIKE THAT.
Who died and made you Queen of the Mexicans? You’re not a Mexican. And yet you impose your values on their culture? And then you give me shit because I don’t care what you think? I’ve yet to read from any actual Mexicans who are offended. I’m not the one here who’s making generalizations about a culture I’m not even part of. You are. At first I thought this clusterfuck was from people who were just hyper after starting their social studies. But now I’m thinking you’re all too ignorant and immature. APPROPRIATION IS NOT OK! Wait, what? Are you crazy? Find me anything on this planet that wasn’t appropriated. I’m not even sure you understand what’s a culture. You know that girl who made the original comic says he favorite movie is The Lion King? The biggest plagiarism of Disney. I mean common, how am I supposed to take this seriously. You’re so sure that you’re different that you have absolutely no self-consciousness about what you’re writing. Here’s some homework for you. Read about the different point of views of Mexicans about La Malinche. And realize how things are much more complicated than they are in your little black and white isolationist universe.
From what I’ve seen, this whole mess it’s not made by mexicans, but for american-mexicans who are willing to ignore their “american” heritage in order to act like some super nationalist mexican people (which is understandable since american culture is sometimes exclusive and it’s mainly composed of the traditions of anglosaxon people), somehow, those people who are the one who invented the mixture of spanish and english, are mexican enough to defend some tradition they don’t even know or have seen how it’s made in Mexico (news for you, people upside Rio Bravo, the processions made in USA ARE NOT THE BONA FIDE VERSION OF THIS TRADITIONS, they are copied from the original rituals in Mexico and made from the people who want to COPY them to show it to other people, this is why this whole “STOP STEALING MY CULTURE” is a bunch of crap, people who’re born in a mixed culture are whinning because some part of their heritage is being used by the other part, they are willing to forget they are also americans (since you know, US Constitution says everyone born in american soils is a citizen of their country) just to exclude and judge people in their own private club of a nation they don’t even live.
I’ve decided to respect your opinion, but strongly disagree with it.
Nothing about wearing this makeup was mocking, degrading, oppressive, or ignorant. I didn’t paint my face like a sugar skull and walk around telling people I was dressed as a mexican, I was celebrating the imagery about death that surrounds Dia de los Muertos. Wearing the facepaint as part of Halloween means that I understand people I encounter while doing so will also understand the significance, and that, to me, is a beautiful thing, cosmopolitan as that may be. Also, I am getting my face painted again this Thursday.
I’m adopting these cultural ideas & images, and appreciating them- deal with it.
YOU DON’T SEEM TO GET THE SIGNIFICANCE IF YOU THINK THIS IS A HALLOWEEN COSTUME.
And I don’t need some white girl to celebrate my family’s imagery for me.
This is not about halloween. This is not “appreciation” if you want to appreciate Mexican culture, sit yourself down and watch. Go find a celebration being held that is open to the public. Wander your local university, find the latin@/mexican heritage groups and watch. It’s not the sugar skull makeup that is degrading or ignorant it is you wearing my culture when you don’t understand it’s meaning and you think it can be employed as a fucking halloween costume. It is not yours to use. It is not yours to wear. I do not want you to appreciate my traditions when you are going to do so without asking. You do not get to borrow someone’s culture and wear it as a mask without asking.
It is not yours to take. It is not yours to wear. Dia de Los Muertos is not Halloween. We do not play trick or treat. This is in alignment with the Catholic All Saint’s and All Soul’s day but has been a part of our culture long before colonization. Do you know about Mictecacihuatl? No, probably not. It’s not common anymore to be able to find the roots of things before Europeans invaded and colonized and adapted our culture to fit their expectations but Mexican culture has changed and flourished and continued on. We are fucking used to people stealing our things, “adapting” our symbols and traditions and our ideas and images and it has been a long history of cultural oppression and what you are doing is adding to that.
You are saying you don’t care. You are saying that you as a white person can come in and take our things and make them yours and I’m not sorry for being upset. I have every fucking right to be angry. You notion of “cosmopolitanism” is what has hurt my family, and fellow Mexicans and what has created this culture of self-hatred within the community. Your “cosmopolitanism” invaded Mexico, segregated the indigenous people, destructed the original cultures there, and then divided us - Mestizos. It has broken the native cultures up, and we are a mixed race people. But being white at some point, some where has not gotten us treated any better. We’re still “those mexicans”. We’re still different. We’re not welcome in America even if we’re fucking from here and our culture apparently is up for grabs, but only the parts you like. Only the stuff that looks pretty or shiny or benefits you, or works as a fucking costume because you’re not creative enough to think of something on your own.
Guess what? This is about honoring the dead, and you basically shit all over our ancestors and our problems when you do this. Our dead family members have all had to deal with people like you - problems like this. Our dead have had enough racism and “cultural borrowing” and cosmopolitan imperialism, thanks. We don’t need you for this. We don’t need you to add to it. And if you want to stop and admire how we honor our family, and our ancestors, and our dead you’d fucking do well to sit the fuck down and stop pretending like “cultural adaption” is something complementary and not the source of oppression that we had to overcome to create new cultures and traditions.
You want the significance of Calavera makeup? The significance is that in spite of dumbass white people, we continue to hold onto what is important to us.
Btw she decided not to respect it, its ok people she made the executive order to just not give a fuck
“You do not get to borrow someone’s culture and wear it as a mask without asking.”
Ask who? The King of Mexico? I got news for you, unless you were born in a cave, everybody’s wearing someone else’s culture. You think you’re some kind of precious cultural snow flake? HEY GUYS, STOP EATING MAPLE SYRUP, YOU’RE EATING MY CANADIAN CULTURE! AND DON’T EAT CROISSANT EITHER, YOU’RE DISRESPECTING MY FRENCH ANCESTORS! AND NO PASTA EITHER, ROMAN EMPIRE, ETC. e_e
For starters, you DON’T NEED to be a doctor on mexican anthropology to even dare to speak about Dia de los Muertos, most mexican people aren’t even aware this celebrations (like the girl namedropping Mictlantehuatl) are not purely prehispanic or posthispanic conquest but a blend of both traditions, as many other celebrations from mexican culture like Virgen of Guadalupe Day or Posadas (even Quinceañera partys are a mix of european traditions and mexican ones), and I relly hope this person isn’t fond to watch things like Jersey Shore or South Park because they are AMERICAN CULTURE and thus, you can’t enjoy it since you’re so mexican you piss Corona and shit tacos, most of the greatest art moves come from people who wanted to imitate other cultures (like Reinassence being italians wanting to be ancient greeks)
The amazing thing about traditions from all cultures is that they explain the ideas of people, I’m fond for asian culture and practice a martial art from Korea, and my teacher, a korean-born man, is happy to teach us what it means to be a samurang, and I learn from it, he’s not lecturing me about how “you can’t use that uniform if you don’t know what it means to be a true samurang, you can’t even be one if you’re not korean”.
And for Godivadarling, I want to tell your make up it’s beautiful and I support it, and not all mexicans are offended by americans or any other race using our culture to express themselves, also, thank you for all great american culture: Bukowski, Chet Baker, Elvis, Superman, Batman and Joel McHale